Who's got January?

[Matt F]

Have we started the discussion on where the January meeting will be. Also, Millstream say if they want to do a tasting event? Seems like that usually goes down in February. Need to brew for it soon if so.

[BrewHound]

Matt, I have the Jan meeting. I will make a post about the meeting here in the next couple of days.

Also, Millstream stated that they were not interested in doing a tasting event this year. I think this was discussed at the last meeting.

Though if I remember correctly you did not make it to the last meeting until after the meeting portion had concluded.

[Matt F]

You are correct. Some of us have very busy schedules making it difficult to be at every meeting on time. We would know what is going on if meeting minutes were posted more than twice a year.

Thanks for the update though.

[brownbeard]

Matt, your anti-establishment undertone has been documented and noted in your permanent club record.

[BrewHound]

Apparently Matt is under the assumption that he is the only person in the world who has a busy schedule.

You know Matt, the only thing worse then someone who does not live up to a role. Is someone who does absolutely nothing, then bitches about the work that other do. At least I have stepped up to the plate, I have not seen you do a damn thing for this club since I moved here other then host a meeting or two, which guess what, I have done as well!

I too have a new baby in my household. Work a full time job and sit on the boards of 2 clubs that I participate in. I look foward to your participation on the cabnit in 2012!

[tompb]

Now now kids, let's be nice. I do believe Matt was Treasurer a couple years ago. He took the initiative to start up the club bank account.

I also think we need to do more to post club minutes. I have stated this a few different times. No offense intended to anyone who has held the job.

[BrewHound]

Now now kids, let's be nice. I do believe Matt was Treasurer a couple years ago. He took the initiative to start up the club bank account.

I also think we need to do more to post club minutes. I have stated this a few different times. No offense intended to anyone who has held the job.

No offense taken Tom, as you are correct.

Also, I do believe you are correct about Matt Being Treasurer for the club, for that I do appologize Matt. I also agree that club minutes should be posted more, and I do take full responsiblity for that, my life too has gotten very busy this year. Which is why I intentionally dropped the board of one of my clubs, then subsequently lost the election to this club, so hopefully I will have more time to focus on the club tech meeting.

I just did not really appreciate the tone of the post at all, I tried to politely answer Matt question that he posted I was not snide, or mean, or disrepectful of Mat at all. I was not expecting to be called out in the manner he did.

I would like to point out that I stepped up to the plate on this position in a pinch when the elected officer could not fulfull the position, as no one else wanted it. Though that is no excuse, I guess I should have stated that I could not do it. As that really is the one position with a reoccuring monthly duty to it, which makes it challenging as you have to take club meeting minutes, Cab meeting minutes, and ideally Tech meeting minutes.

However, good news is Timmy has the position now and I am sure he will do an excellent job at it, much better then I have.

[brownbeard]

However, good news is Timmy has the position now and I am sure he will do an excellent job at it, much better then I have.

Now that we've got that settled.

[Matt F]

Wow, miss a few days and you miss a lot! First off, Jeremy, I am sorry you found my reply so offensive. It was intended to be a humorous jab. I know the circumstances of you taking on the role of secretary. I also have applauded you on multiple occasions for the contributions you have made to the club, particularly in regards to the Tech Meetings which have been great. The statement is to point out that historically the meeting minutes have not been well kept. Not just by you, but by anyone. I have not been secretary myself because I understood I may not be able to attend all the meetings. Same reason I removed myself from an officer position because I could not regularly attend cabinet meetings.

Secondly, I know we are all busy and have different commitments. I am unable to make meetings on time because from the end of September until early January I tend to work late and on weekends. In fact, I am just getting ready to leave the office as we speak at almost 2:00 AM. Came in this Sunday at 9:30 AM, went to my in-laws this afternoon to celebrate the holidays and back to work. That has been the pattern for me for three months now, less the afternoon party. Needless to say I am looking forward to January and a more appropriate amount of time at work and some in the brewery. My point is that not everyone can make the meetings and that should not make people feel unwelcome or unable to be a club member. It would be a positive change if those individuals could catch up on the club business through the meeting minutes.

Finally, I take great offense to this statement by Jeremy. It is simply untrue.

“You know Matt, the only thing worse then someone who does not live up to a role. Is someone who does absolutely nothing, then bitches about the work that other do. At least I have stepped up to the plate, I have not seen you do a damn thing for this club since I moved here other then host a meeting or two, which guess what, I have done as well!”

That statement is out of line. To say I have done absolutely nothing is ridiculous. First off, I joined the club at the same time as Larry, Brian, and Dave when it was just Jim, Karl, Bob, and Pete approximately six years ago. I along with the other 9-10 guys all contributed greatly to growing the club to almost 30 members in less than a year. Along with that came a new club name. I was the third Treasurer after Karl and then Dave. I was the first to set up a club bank account which is still in use today. I also organized the only club beer field trip to date which took us to Wisconsin on several beer tours in 2008, with some of the 20 attendees camping at the club’s first Shitty Barn Party showing. You should know, you were there. I also actively recruit new members. Ask John E who contacted him about attending a club meeting after his win at NHC was published in Zymurgy. Finally, just this year, I organized beer camp which seemed to be well received. Again, you were there. It was no small feat organizing the outing inclusive of a canoe trip which I had to shuttle most of the boats.

Basically, I am a contributing member of the club. Even if I just show up once in a while to a meeting here and there, I would still be a contributing member of the club as would anyone else. The fact is I attend most of the meetings and during the end of the year, I usually miss the business portion. To say I have done nothing for this club, is simply wrong.

Now, I hope that we can draw to a close whatever this was. If this needs to be discussed further, I would suggest we meet for a beer and not pollute this forum with more crap.

[carrisr]

On a lighter note: is there such a thing as ForumCap-S? Just about every public board I read could use it!


(in case anyone isn't familiar with the reference, FermCap-S is an anti-foaming product frequently used to prevent boil-overs...)

[BrewHound]

Hey Matt,

I am sorry brother, I guess I got so pissed about it because it was true. I did drop the ball on the meeting minutes and for that I appologize to everyone.

I guess I read more into your post then was intended. I read it as a personal attack on me, not a general post about the position, which in all accuracy I do deserve, I made a commitment and didn't live up to it and again for that I appologize to everyone. With these type of clubs the meeting minutes are very important as the first post points out, These last few meetings were more important then ever to have meeting minutes and they were not there.

I bit off more then I could chew this year, which is no excuss I know that. When I took on the tech meeting I should have known that I could not fulfill the position of Secretary for the club. I only hope all of you can see that I tired very hard to better this club, in the respects that I was capable of doing. Which I will continue to try to do from the sidelines of the club.

In all honesty, I did not realize that the secreatary position would take up so much time. I recorded the club and cabnit meetings on a digital recorder, to filter through all the noise and get the notes done, actually took me several hours to filter through and capture. This was multiplied by the same for the cabnit meetings as they are held in a public venue. So with the club meeting, tech meeting, cabnit meeting, capturing minutes, and all the planning required for tech meeting, was taking me well over 10 hours a month. Which just started to overcome me with a new position at work and new baby at home, in addition to participation in the board of another club. I am not trying to provide an excuss as there is none. Just trying to show where all my time was going.

In additional Matt, you are a valuable resource to this club and for me to say anything other then that is uncalled for and untrue. I look forward to a time when you again have enough time to take a more active role in the club again, as you are a warm and welcoming face to not only me, but to all other members of the club as well.

I am glad that the club is getting Tim in a position on the board as I feel he will do an excellent position on the cabnit and get many things done. I am not mocking you Tim, I really do feel you will be a good addition to the club board and will do far better then I have over the past several months.

Good luck to the 2011 Cabnit members and the general glub membership in the upcoming year.

PS: Always up for sitting down and having a beer with you Matt, just let me know when you have time.

Jeremy Orchuk
Prost
"The ex-Secretary"

[Matt F]

No worries CJ. Don't beat yourself up about the minutes. It was supposed to be a playful response by me. It is a harder job than I think people give credit for. You had a good idea to bring a recorder for the meetings.

I plan to keep my role in the club much as it has been the last few years. I will tackle Beer Camp again and have been brainstorming some beer road trip ideas for the club. I can't commit to regularly scheduled meetings very well as my wife has a job that has her on call most of the time, but do attend when I can. If her clients would not have babies during scheduled brew club events I could do the meeting thing with a higher level of commitment. I look forward to the next meeting. Maybe I will even have a homebrew to share!

[tompb]

Now that's better kids. Next meeting I wanna see you 2 kiss and make up.

As far as meeting minutes go I don't expect a play by play on the whole thing. I would just like to get highlights of the important stuff (club comps, event schedules, you know what I mean). Are you sure you know what you got into Tim?

PS. It won't take much to do better then CJ though.

[tompb]

Sorry for the cheap shot Jeremy. I just couldn't help myself!

[tony b]

Getting back on topic - CJ, what's the host's choice for beer style?

I hit up Blue Max while in the Twins over Christmas - Santa was good to me!