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oaking question

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:37 pm
by hoboscratch
Using oak spirals right now for the first time. I'm 2 weeks in and just took my first sample over the weekend. I want more oak flavor but don't have experience with the spirals, or any oaking technique for that matter. I want to limit oxidation so I'm not too keen on pulling samples every few days. Anyone have any experience with spirals and how long it generally takes to get significant extraction? This is a RIS I'm dealing with, btw.

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:02 pm
by DrPaulsen
A few years ago, I listened to a Sunday Session episode on using Oak. I found the following set of notes in an old e-mail I sent myself. Given that the episode was 4 hours long, you could probably save yourself some time by just skimming my notes, below.

http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/The- ... ea-Comfort

I recall using the notes from this to oak a cider I made, using medium toast Hungarian oak. It worked really well and added a lot of body to an otherwise thin cider.

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:Oak Tea:
1 cup of just boiling water
Oak chips
Steep for awhile (1-2 hrs?)
Taste tea -- should give a good idea of the characteristics you'll get in your cider/beer from the oak

:Toast Levels:
Lighter Toast = More Aromatic, woodsier taste
Medium Toast = (middle of the road), still a lot of oak flavor
Heavy Toast = Sweeter, caramel, maple syrup flavors, very little spicy aromaticity. The initial flavors will be less assertive, but the finish will be much more roasty/toasty/charred sugar and heavy vanilla. Bourbon has a lot these flavors.

American Heavy Toast will give off a lot of the vanilla and toasty flavors found in bourbon.

:National Differences:
American Oak = simple
French & Hungarian = complex, full, tanniny, etc.

If you have a lot of heavy, dark grains (porter, stout, etc.), you may not want the complexity of French/Hungarian oak. Instead simple American oak can provide a subtle vanilla background and a rounded sweetness to help meld the flavors. In a lighter beer, the complexity of French/Hungarian oaks might be welcome.

:Examples:
1. Belgian Dubbel
- Very difficult to detect oak. Very little oak aromaticity and nose. Subtle oak characteristics in the finish and mouthfeel.
- French medium oak, added during fermentation. Yeast removed vanilla nose, but left the subtle spiciness, mouthfeel, and finish.
- Low level of oak in the ferment brings about a great finish and mid-palate (which will, in turn, boost the maltiness and soft hop flavors).
- Oak will add longevity to a beer.
- Did not want Heavy oak b/c he didn't want the caramel flavors and wanted to retain the structure of the medium oak (heavy oak will drop off in the finish).
- 1 oz per 5 gal
- Overview: Barely taste the oak, but gives an awesome aftertaste and roundness at the end. (Most people don't realize oak can do this in a beer.)

2. English Brown
- Can smell the oak in the aroma.
- Brewer wanted more spiciness due to the darker grains presented.
- Medium+ Hungarian oak, added post-fermentation.
- Round, full body through mid-palate, as well as a vanilla, maple finish. The oak adds an additional complexity so the brown ale isn't just caramel malt on the finish.
- 1 oz per 5 gal.
- Length: to taste (1-2 weeks)
- Age for another 2 months after the oaking. ("4 weeks out, this is not going to be a great beer. It needs the time.")
- Cubes, not chips
- 1 oz of wood, 1/4 cup water, microwave just to a boil, let it sit, re-microwave to a boil, cool then dump everything into the carboy.
- Don't worry about the internal portion of the wood -- it's sterile from the toasting.
- Overview: oaking really brought out the malt character; could smell the oak in the beginning and taste it at the end but in the middle all it did was accentuate the malt; the finish was spicy and complex from the Hungarian oak (to complement the brown ale crystal malt sweetness)

3. English IPA
- "oakiest"
- Well integrated with the floral hoppiness of the EKGs. The woodsey, perfumey oak character balances well with the floral character of the dry hopped EKG. (During boil: 8 min, 4 min, then dry hop and oak addition post-fermentation.)
- Medium French Oak
- Lingering mouthfeel from the structure of the oak.
- Oak character really helps emphasize the maltiness.
- Overview: oak throughout; it complemented the aroma, flavor, finish, and mouthfeel of the IPA.

:When to add:
- During active fermentation - yeast metabolize vanilla. To pull down the lacto-vanillin character, add it during the primary fermentation.
- Post-fermentation - sterilize in the microwave, add the liquid and the cubes (not chips?), let it sit for 1-2 weeks, then age for 2 months.
- 1 oz per 5 gal.

:Notes:
- Cubes, not chips, for higher quality oak
- Staves? (brand?)
- Pick up another keg just for oak'd beers to enable the 2+ month aging periods required to really bring it together
- Stouts/Porter = American Heavy Toast (add in the ferment and leave it through the post-fermentation period for 1-2 weeks)
- Rouse daily in any type of fermentation to keep sulfur production low to improve mouthfeel. Sedimentation at any point, will result in trapped sulfur compounds. Regular agitation during the first 4 days of fermentation will get it up and blown out. Agitation will help improve oak compound take-up and blending (reducing aging cycle time).
- Blending cubes is perfectly fine and one should not hesitate to do that. Just make sure you think through the additions.
- If possible, as an experiment break up a single batch into 2 or 3 fermenters and add different oaks to each for a comparison/contrast exercise.
- Be Patient! Those flavors will take awhile to come together.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:08 pm
by hoboscratch
Thanks for the info, Lee. I'm going to pull another sample this weekend and see how it tastes. This will put it at just over 3 weeks. Hopefully I've hit the target level of oakicity because it seems like this can be a trial and error sort of experiment, from what I've read. Also, I understand that if its too oakalicious that's not an issue either. So seems that I can't lose, I just want to limit the oxidation.