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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:05 am
by BrewHound
I will try to clearly detail my vision of this and what this thread started about. Correct me if I am wrong Randy.

This second monthly meeting would be a technical meeting. It would be about the technical aspects of brewing and Beer. I do like Tims idea about alternating between a brewing aspect and style understanding and identification. This would keep things exciting and keep us with topics to use.

Now, the one thing I must stress is this is not to become a second social/agenda meeting. Rules need to be put into place to prevent that from happening. That is why I don't think any beer should be allowed other then if a beer understanding and idenfication meeting those that are choosen from the style to be a excellent representation of the style. Even then, these would be prepurchased by either the board or the host and a door fee would cover the cost of those. Homebrew would be excluded from attending as the point of these meetings is to learn to make good beer and how to judge it for yourself. After all lets face it we are already our own worst critics.

Here is a couple of the idea's I was rolling around:

Blind Tasting: A style would be choosen then 3 Beers would be choosen from that style that are excellent representation of that style (Usually from the BJCP style guidelines). They would be covered or bagged to conseal the identification so to prevent bias. Samples would be tasted and compared to guidelines and each other, discussion would be held to identify flavor characteristics of each beer and wheather the specific characteristics are favorable to that style. NO OUTSIDE BEERS AT MEETING.

Learning to Judge: This would be similar to the tasting; however this would be about learning to judge a beer. This would involve again 3 beers choosen one of which would be one that was in BYO by professional judges. beers identification would be removed and the beer would be tasted and all would fill out BJCP judging sheets. After this we would pull the forms for the one profiled in BYO and compare our sheets to those of BYO and discuss the beers. This is to learn to start thinking critically of beers and flavors in them. NO OUTSIDE BEERS AT MEETING.

DIY Stir Plate: For the DIY meetings we would need to find someone who would like that item. They would provide the required parts for the build, then we would assembly the item with the expertise provided by another in the club who has done this already. The person who provide the parts would take home the item after the meeting. This would help people who are not technically savy with hands on demostration of how to build one.

DIY Counterflow Chiller: For the DIY meetings we would need to find someone who would like that item. They would provide the required parts for the build, then we would assembly the item with the expertise provided by another in the club who has done this already. The person who provide the parts would take home the item after the meeting. This would help people who are not technically savy with hands on demostration of how to build one.

Yeast Culturing: While I know of no one yet in the club culturing their own yeast I have plans to start here soon, after I have finished modifying my new setup. This meeting would go over the required items to culture yeast. Preventing contamination, developing your own yeast strains and storage of yeast.

Decotion Mashing: A demostration would be done of decoction mashing. There are many advantages of this, primarly, this accentuates and increases the flavor of malts. Which is highly desired for your maltier beers. For this meeting a mini brew would be done and the decoction cycle would be performed as a demonstration. We would go over how the calculations are performed to acheive different rest cycles and what those cycles contribute to the beer.

There are more these are just some samples of things I have thought of for these meetings. Again, I would like to highlight that this will be techincal in nature and not to replace the socilal/agenda meeting we already have. I hope this at least start to clear up what the concept of this meeting is for.

Jeremy

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:26 am
by kurtford
Could add brewing problems and tips and tricks that you use to make some of your own great beers.

One suggestion that I have is that you bring your brewers notes to the meeting so we know what ingredients you used, how long did you boil, yeast, primary times, secondary times, bottling, kegging, etc. So we can get specifics on the beer and possibly learn from what others are doing.

I have a bad memory when it comes to everything i used in my beer and what amounts.

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:26 am
by carrisr
Jeremy,
Those are all good topics and a format I think would be fun. I do think there is also a need for new brewers to get feedback on their own beers, especially with identifying and fixing flaws.

So here's an additional idea: (If this needs to go into a new thread no problem.) Say that I have a beer I just brewed that I think is OK but want to improve it and don't know what's wrong or what changes to make. I post before any of the meetings that I will be attending and bringing x beer. (I agree that it would be better to also provide notes on the brewing process). Anyone who wants to take a stab at it just says so and I bring enough beers (provided I have enough) for people to take home and evaluate.

This is not an opportunity for free beer. There would be an expectation to provide the brewer with serious and thoughtful feedback. If you don't know much about the given style you should not take the beer (unless it's offered freely).

Maybe a new forum category could be used for this purpose.

Again, my apologies for opening the email floodgates...I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to take over or anything.

Randy

Any Interest in a 2nd education Monthly Meeting?

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:45 pm
by Gjoseph
If it was held on any day but Thursday, I would definately be interested.


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I am trying to gather numbers on whether there would be interest in a 2nd educational type brewers meeting each month. This event would have to be sanctioned by the Board of Directors before proceeding, but I am just trying to poll to see if there is enough interest in this before presenting it to the board for consideration.

The meetings would cover different aspects of brewing from polled topics offered to the club. Some topic ideas would be:


Batch Vs. Fly Sparging Infustion Vs. Decoction Mashing Beer Judgeing Style tastings Group Brews DIY brewing items Grain crush characteristics Grain profiles Hop profiles Yeast profiles etc...

If there are other things you would like to see added please reply with topics you would like to see and I will start to compile a list, then start polling on them. Even if you see it there already reply with things you would like to see. This would help to gauge interest in topic priority.

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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:41 pm
by BrewHound
carrisr wrote:Jeremy,
Those are all good topics and a format I think would be fun. I do think there is also a need for new brewers to get feedback on their own beers, especially with identifying and fixing flaws.

So here's an additional idea: (If this needs to go into a new thread no problem.) Say that I have a beer I just brewed that I think is OK but want to improve it and don't know what's wrong or what changes to make. I post before any of the meetings that I will be attending and bringing x beer. (I agree that it would be better to also provide notes on the brewing process). Anyone who wants to take a stab at it just says so and I bring enough beers (provided I have enough) for people to take home and evaluate.

This is not an opportunity for free beer. There would be an expectation to provide the brewer with serious and thoughtful feedback. If you don't know much about the given style you should not take the beer (unless it's offered freely).

Maybe a new forum category could be used for this purpose.

Again, my apologies for opening the email floodgates...I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to take over or anything.

Randy
Randy, I agree that we need to provide for this. We have traditionally dealt with this on the general status/agenda meeting. However, with that said if we pre arranged that for one of the judging meetings and it felt into the style that we were doing you would be tasting it against other beers that represent that style. then you would be providing judging sheets on your beer that characterizes where it stacks with the others and have a written criting of your beer. That would probably provide you the best analysis of your beer.

What I was thinking for this is the best way to achieve this goal for all of us is through general beer education, once you learn to judge beer crtically you can identifiy this for yourself. That is the point of the tastings and judgings to learn to critically analyze beer for its strengths and weeknesses against the guidelines. Espcially if we did beer tampering to exhibit flaw characterisitcs.

It is less difficult to identify flaws in a beer then it is to fix them. Fixing them is where the problem comes in. In most cases the flaw can come from many sources and that were the problem is.

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:24 am
by Matt F
This would be asking a lot from our only BJCP man at the moment, but at some point in the not to distant future I would like to work on becoming BJCP certified. Free tasting kits are available for groups that qualify as described below. There would be additional costs and commitment required by those that wish to pursue. Maybe a session on judging and what it is all about could provide some info on this topic and if it would be feasible.

New Beer Flavor Kits Available for Order
The BJCP is happy to announce a partnership with the Siebel Institute to provide their new Sensory Training Kit to BJCP exam prep classes. The Sensory Training Kit is a commercial product containing 24 different flavor samples, and replaces the prior kit which contained 10 samples.

The new Siebel kit will be offered under the same terms as the previous kit: any CEP-registered exam prep class leading to a BJCP-registered exam can request a kit by contacting the Education Director. The kits are free, but shipping, duties, etc. involved in shipping outside the continental US will be charged at cost.

The Education Director has contacted exam administrators and prep class organizers that have already been registered. Prep classes for exams already held in 2009 are eligible for receiving a kit, but must request one. Any organizer who did not receive a kit or who did not receive an email, please contact the Education Director to request one.

Please check the CEP Kits page for full details.

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:56 am
by BrewHound
Matt F wrote:This would be asking a lot from our only BJCP man at the moment, but at some point in the not to distant future I would like to work on becoming BJCP certified. Free tasting kits are available for groups that qualify as described below. There would be additional costs and commitment required by those that wish to pursue. Maybe a session on judging and what it is all about could provide some info on this topic and if it would be feasible.

New Beer Flavor Kits Available for Order
The BJCP is happy to announce a partnership with the Siebel Institute to provide their new Sensory Training Kit to BJCP exam prep classes. The Sensory Training Kit is a commercial product containing 24 different flavor samples, and replaces the prior kit which contained 10 samples.

The new Siebel kit will be offered under the same terms as the previous kit: any CEP-registered exam prep class leading to a BJCP-registered exam can request a kit by contacting the Education Director. The kits are free, but shipping, duties, etc. involved in shipping outside the continental US will be charged at cost.

The Education Director has contacted exam administrators and prep class organizers that have already been registered. Prep classes for exams already held in 2009 are eligible for receiving a kit, but must request one. Any organizer who did not receive a kit or who did not receive an email, please contact the Education Director to request one.

Please check the CEP Kits page for full details.
Matt,

I don't know if this is in reply to me or Randy's post.

If this is in regards to my post about the judging meeting. I agree that it would be a terrible strain to put on Big 'T' to expect him to be present and lead each of these. That is why I factored it the way I did as follows.

If you look at the end of each BYO magazine they have at least 6 professional judges, judge a beer that is an excellent representatation of a beer from a certain style. This beer would be one of the 3 choosen for the judging event. Either this or we would try to find one of the beers that is called out in the styles themselves and see if we can track down judging sheets on them from a certified BJCP judge. This would serve 2 purposes. first it would serve as a calibration for the the style being judged. Second it would give the people present something to compare their judging sheets too. Then they could see if they identified most or all of the things the certified judges did. I think this would go a long way to help people to start thinking critically about beers as well as evaluation against the styles. In addition I think this would be good practice for people who are thinking about going for their BJCP, which I think more of us should endavor to do. I am considering starting to prepare myself for BJCP as well.

If this is in regards to Randy's post, I agree somewhat. while it is hard to know and identifiy little things unless you have trained yourself in the BJCP style. I do think most in the club could identify an overwhelming flaw in a beer provided by one of the members. We have all tasted excellent representations of style and have all tasted beers with flaws and can identifiy a overwhelming flaw in most beers.

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:42 pm
by Matt F
Not a reply, just posting ideas for topics. I would be curious to learn more about the becoming a BJCP process. I can read what they offer on the website but would like to discuss it and see if there is interest in the topic.

Any Interest in a 2nd education Monthly Meeting?

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:30 pm
by BrewHound
If that is the case Matt, I have interest in becoming BJCP Certified, so put me down as interested in this topic.


I am sick of T looking down his nose at us because he is certified and we are not.


Just kidding T.

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On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:42 PM, "Matt F" <brew-events@crbeernuts.org (brew-events@crbeernuts.org)> wrote:


Not a reply, just posting ideas for topics. I would be curious to learn more about the becoming a BJCP process. I can read what they offer on the website but would like to discuss it and see if there is interest in the topic.



Matt Franklin
Slappy Brewing




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